But what does he make of them? You enjoy spending time with your kids. *Pretty strange behaviour for a patriarchal tyrant. My big problem with the lobsters comparison is it’s scientifically rubbish. To me, you don’t look like somebody who has particularly suffered an outrageous amount for your opinions. (He doesn’t use crude or demeaning language.) What follows is a condensed, edited version of our conversation... Helen Lewis: You’ve sold two million copies of 12 Rules For Life, you have 800,000 followers on Twitter and 1.4 million subscribers on YouTube. And we haven’t had that discussion in our culture for 50 years. As he sees it, his arguments about innate differences between men and women’s interests and aptitudes are supported by science. I don’t like their anti-Semitism. This interview with Jordan Peterson and Helen Lewis from British GQ went viral. November 8, 2018 After a remarkable two years of global fame, Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson has once again found himself the talk of the Twitterati after GQ’s interview with him by feminist writer Helen Lewis, one hour and 42 minutes in length. I don’t have gerd [acid reflux]. I’m no fan of the identitarian right, the ethno-nationalists, the alt-right. Introducing Peterson, fellow IDW member Dave Rubin said: “It’s not about diversity of skin colour... it’s about intellectual diversity!” The overwhelmingly white crowd applauded. I told him beforehand that I thought we’d disagree a lot, but I hoped it would be an interesting discussion. ‘I notice the allure [of fascist ideologies]. There’s certainly no shortage of evidence for reprehensible sexual behaviour on the part of people who can use power to get away with it, so that’s not so good. That’s why our society works. There are almost no women who rape men. I can’t tell how much of it is merely a consequence of the fact that YouTube skews so male. I suspect that two parents are better than one. Not being incautious. My mood isn’t perfectly regulated, but I’m under a fair bit of stress, so that might have something to do with it. Like the idea that this was a white supremacist gesture, which I was asked about on CBC [Canada’s public broadcaster]. I think the “believe the victim” idea is something that only a fool could conjure up, because it opens the door to unbelievable opportunity for manipulation. It is also – how do I put this delicately – very, very weird. “There is an unspeakably primordial calculator, deep within you... it monitors exactly where you are positioned in society,” he writes. So the fact that I’ve come through this relatively unscathed has very little to do with the vitriol of the attacks. Most people in prison are men. The problem I have with much of the environmentalist movement is there’s a powerful stream of anti-human sentiment that motivates it, masquerading under the guise of virtue. Well, I went to your show – people pay a lot of money to see you speak. The shadows on his face are more a 1:1 ratio conveying an entirely different mood. I hope that, whichever of us the audience finds most persuasive, they will appreciate that GQ has given a platform to such a long, in-depth discussion. OK, so why then? He disappeared like three years ago. And that’s a good thing. The university wrote me two cease-and-desist letters from their HR department with their legal staff. The interview is comical and spurned a new meme: So what you’re saying is…. Some people are arguing to not automatically disbelieve the victim – which is a perfectly reasonable thing to argue for – but that isn’t where it ends. It just didn’t work. They’re idiots’, Framing Britney Spears shows why sex isn't the only thing you need consent for. My job was at risk; my career was at risk; my family’s stability was at risk. As part of our 30th-anniversary dissection of masculinity, Helen Lewis interrogated controversial Canadian academic and bestselling author Jordan Peterson about … I don’t tend to think of people as opponents, generally. There’s the guy who thinks he’s a self-help guru masquerading as an intellectual. Well, it’s not self-evident that you want it to be overcome. Let’s talk about free speech. That’s for sure. I had some auto-immune conditions that seem to have gone away. You’re anthropomorphising to a ridiculous degree. Do you worry about how your work might be used by other people? After we finished talking, he told me I was brave to do it. What is it that they are hungry for? It’s the motivation that I question. He married his childhood sweetheart and cries often, sometimes about the cruel excesses of communism. The vast majority of wealth is owned by men. ‘We confuse men’s desire for achievement with patriarchal desire for tyrannical power and that’s a mistake’. It was 4chan trolls playing the media for fools. But I can say equally that most rape victims are women. If you repress something, it comes back with a vengeance. Neuroscientists and people who study motivation and emotion know perfectly well that there is biological and behavioural continuity across the animal kingdom, which is exactly why I chose lobsters. The fervour of his online army – who refer to themselves as “lobsters”, in reference to a famous passage from his book 12 Rules For Life – made me pause before agreeing to interview him. His bestselling book, 12 Rules For Life, is peppered with references to Jung, Dostoevsky and Nietzsche. A century after the first women got the vote in Britain, feminism is praised everywhere from T-shirts to glossy business summits. This is a trope that people just accept: “Western society is a male-dominated patriarchy.” It’s like, “No, it’s not. He makes his points with such ease and authority that it suppresses the bit of your brain which should go, “wait, that’s not quite-“ until long after he’s moved onto something else. Putting this here because of where the conversation goes in the interview. Compare it with the interview he did with the guy from Iceland. If you buy something, we may earn an affiliate commission. It’s a proclivity towards polygamy, which is one of the things that pulls on human society. Ergo, serial killers are natural.”. What do you think might be the adverse effects of having same-sex parents? He (or his team) seemed not to have Googled me before we started, which led him onto a landmine or two. We were warned before the lecture started that hecklers would be ejected. The Jordan B Peterson Podcast (archive below) features audio versions of some of the most popular and compelling of Dr. Peterson’s YouTube videos, interviews with some of the world’s most compelling thinkers (Camille Paglia, Steven Pinker, Jonathan Haidt, Sam Harris, General Stanley McChrystal, Iain McGilchrist, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, among many others), lectures … There’s an asymmetry in all sorts of places, but that doesn’t mean that Western culture is a male-dominated patriarchy. They just fired Rick Mehta in Canada, at Acadia University, for talking about many of the same things that I’ve talked about. After all, he thrives on suggesting that feminists, and the left generally, are addicted to grievance politics. What kind of statement is, “The planet would be better off with fewer people on it?” First of all, there’s an easy solution to that: you could leave. What is it that you’re selling that so many people want to buy? There’s an obesity epidemic in North America, perhaps throughout the Western world. Sunday Times: Unedited Interview Transcript Dr. Jordan Peterson 2021-02-02T21:39:57-05:00 February 2nd, 2021 | Jordan, Mikhaila, and the Interviewer: Jordan 00:00 Well, thank you … Well, it’s not the modern idea of the patriarchy, that’s for sure. One of the things I want to come back to is this idea, you say it in the book, that there is masculine order and feminine chaos. Download to read the full December issue with Anthony Joshua, Easy Life's Murray Matravers: ‘I can’t believe someone has actually paid us to make an album. He was quiet, self-contained and courteous, doing everything the photographer asked with zero fuss or complaint. “They are hungry for a discussion of the relationship of responsibility and meaning,” Peterson responded. Ah, I don’t think I’ll betray my former self: we’ll just leave it where it is. Because Peterson is a staunch critic of multiculturalism, and because he rejects feminism, he has been hailed as their “hero”. – but fear not. Right, and you’re now a pretty big lobster and yet you’re faithful to your wife. I can work more. Most people who commit suicide are men. If you don’t mind me saying so, you are in touch with your feminine side. Helen Lewis vs Jordan Peterson in GQ. Which is why I’m doing what I’m doing. Otters drown females and fuck their corpses. Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Enoch07, May 5, 2019. Jordan Peterson slaughters British GQ feminist NTERVIEW: GQ Magazine’s Vain Attempt to Frame Jordan Peterson NOVEMBER 5, 2018 BY 21WIRE Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, and a clinical psychologist and author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 … It made it difficult for me to participate in sports, so I didn’t really do anything that was fundamentally athletic until I was in graduate school. The questions at the end were chummy, borderline fawning. I encouraged my daughter in her desire to be a mother, which is not something I did with my son. I’m putting out content that I think is useful for people online and I’m clarifying what I think. The strange thing is that in person Peterson does not come off as an alpha male. That’s why serotonin [a molecule linked to feelings of happiness] works on lobsters. Dr. Jordan Peterson 2021-02-01T21:56:28-05:00 I was recently the subject of a Sunday Times cover story written by Decca Aitkenson. The Me Too movement? It’s a little hard on your social life, makes travelling quite difficult and it’s dull as hell. They’ve been rude... I’m not claiming I’ve been marginalised. I think much more now that it’s an illness. I’m not taking antidepressants. That sort of thing makes you sit up and take notice, because, well, it doesn’t make any sense. But, at the same time, he’s not some standard issue boorish Alpha Male. I think it might have encouraged me to do two other things, which was hang around with rougher kids than I might have otherwise – partly as a compensation, I suppose, for being smart and academically able, and also small, so I probably exaggerated my roughness, I suppose – and it made me verbally more capable of defending myself. You are well-dressed. Peterson’s elevation from obscure Canadian psychology professor to bestselling author, YouTuber and self-facilitating media node reflects a backlash against the campaigns for gender and racial equality. At times, I felt as though I had annoyed him (he didn’t appreciate me telling him that his theories about lobster neuroscience were “bollocks”). Couched in rationalism, but deeply divisive, his opinions on feminism, political correctness and the backlash against masculinity have made him a poster boy for his alt-right apostles. You want to see the dark parts of what you are attracted to. You’ve been able to overcome that biological urge. I’m changing my mind about things all the time. It isn’t something I would lightly recommend. In what sense is our society male-dominated? And so that’s the variable: no one knows what the consequences of being raised by two people of the same sex is. It’s only when a structure degenerates into tyranny that the fundamental relationships between people become dependent on power. The IDW make a great show of being – as they see it – “locked out” of the mainstream media and persecuted for their opinions. I worry about that all the time. Most people who are on the street are men. While speaking with Helen Lewis for GQ in … Jesus. Other than that, zero. Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism Watch Newman’s interview with Jordan Peterson. I wasn’t a fan of school. And a few months ago, Peterson was pictured with two men holding a flag showing the cartoon frog Pepe, a symbol co-opted by pro-Trump racists and the expert trolls of the 4chan website. And most of that was trolling by young guys who were trying to drag the media into idiot accusations. Jordan Peterson: I don’t think I’m selling anything. You’ve talked about your emotions. Do you feel the allure of authoritarian, fascist ideologies because you’re baking cakes? But you are a man who some people would say has feminine traits. That I didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to learn to play the organ when I was seven. I imagine your arteries might not be in great shape. 28. And despite the fact that I have innumerable, highly motivated enemies, they haven’t been able to find one thing I’ve said in 30 years that justifies any of those accusations. But we don’t know what exposure to role models, say, is necessary for the continuity of maternal behaviour or for the adoption of functional gender roles. In a recent interview with British GQ, Jordan Peterson — the best-selling author and popular and controversial psychology professor from Canada — said that it's important to avoid socializing "little boys to be more like little girls." Do you think that shaped your personality? I can’t say. Hierarchies are a third of a billion years old. Someone emailed me today to say that he had talked about the interview on the new Joe Rogan podcast (which I haven't seen) and it made me think I ought to say thank you to this sub-reddit. On gay parenting, you said you want to see more studies. Helen Lewis vs Jordan Peterson in GQ. You write in 12 Rules that you skipped a grade in school and you were small for your age. Three of those and you’re done. Occasionally we agreed (for instance, that Twitter is bad for online debates). I just wonder if posing with the flag is something that you regret now, that you wouldn’t do again. I was fortunate enough to watch your interview with Joe Rogan where you give insight into what happened before your GQ interview with Helen Lewis, and then watch the GQ interview. My experience of interviewing Jordan Peterson, The night Meghan Markle broke the internet, Spotlight: Inside the stricken court of crown prince Mohammed Bin Salman, Jacob Young: ‘We’re Conservatives. Every man I know has an opinion on Jordan Peterson. The only reason I haven’t suffered an outrageous amount for my opinions is because I’ve handled the consequences of their utterance exceptionally well. And does he practise what he preaches? Why are you concerned about Pepe, anyway? That’s psychoanalysis 101. https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/helen-lewis-jordan-peterson You ended up married to your teenage sweetheart. So my question is how much responsibility do you feel... It’s not how much responsibility I feel. They don’t like me because I’ve made it very clear, not only in my videos but on Twitter, that I don’t like them. It just didn't work." Tickets started at $44 and for upwards of $200 you could meet the man himself afterwards. I would say the talks are probably 60/40 or 65/35 male to female. In person, he can seem intimidating, because he is so sure of his arguments and he makes his points so forcefully. There was a reason I did that, which is that Nietzsche himself said, “I’m an anti-anti-Semite,” and yet his philosophy ended up being used by the Nazis. Peterson is one of the leaders of the “Intellectual Dark Web”, a loose group of controversialists who circulate around each other’s podcasts, YouTube channels and live shows, preaching versions of the same message: students are being coddled by “safe spaces” and “trigger warnings”; feminism has gone too far; activist groups such as Black Lives Matter are unnecessarily divisive; and what’s with all the new-fangled gender pronouns young people have these days? I don’t regard him exactly as an opponent. But he stuck around in case we needed to pick up any shots, until the photographer said he could go. You cannot read across from lobsters and what they do to what humans do. If you’re a No1 male, “You are a successful lobster, and the most desirable females line up and vie for your attention.” Before interviewing Peterson, I emailed a friend who is a geneticist about all this, and he replied: “Using the lobster model, I could choose literally any animal social structure to justify any human behaviour. Jordan Peterson GQ interview. So when GQ called and asked if I wanted to fly to America and interview Peterson, I hesitated for at least three seconds before saying yes. There’s the guy who thinks the smug left is dismissing him too quickly. I’m going around the world talking in different cities. If you need a further Peterson catch-up, can I recommend a video posted by GQ magazine this week, in which Jordan is interviewed by the New Statesman’s Helen Lewis. It is a very heated, contentious discussion. It’s like, no. Most people who die in wars are men. As of today it has over 16 million views! These videos are derived from his lectures, interviews, and self-uploaded videos. There was plenty of motivation to take me out. Right, but those are different. Let’s define what constitutes alt-right first. Posted by 2 years ago. Everybody lies. I don’t feel oppressed. And with politicians from Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin to Brazil’s new leader Jair Bolsonaro all pushing “traditional” ideas of gender roles, his worldview cannot be ignored. Our worldviews are simply too different. He’s a professional. Jordan Peterson: “There was plenty of motivation to take me out. Joined: Apr 14, 2009 Messages: 9,627 Ratings: +2,721 Religion: Theistic Rationalist-Christian. If you see any temptation in that, then you should straighten yourself up real quick and that’s what I’ve done for decades. He seems genuinely to love his family, though, and he lit up when he talked about working with kids in a nursery. You don’t want to inhibit it – you certainly don’t want to socialise little boys to be more like little girls. Of course. They’re hungry for a discussion of the relationship between responsibility and meaning. I don’t think we have any idea what causes arteriosclerosis. I don’t think he seems very happy – life on tour is hard (just ask any number of bands who were destroyed by it) even if you’re not on all-beef diet. It is just as tense, prickly and dramatic as the Cathy Newman interview, but more interesting because Lewis is better prepared and probes more intelligently and persistently. But looking round the Westbury Theatre, it hardly felt like a clandestine meeting. Nor is he a lazy, unthinking bar-room sexist. This forum is dedicated to the work associated with Dr. Jordan Peterson: a public intellectual, clinical psychologist, and professor of psychology at the University of … All products are independently selected by our editors. Those hoping for a re-run of Peterson’s famous encounter with Cathy Newman, the Channel 4 News presenter, will be disappointed. Women do more unpaid labour... That’s a very tiny proportion of men and a huge proportion of people who are seriously disaffected are men. Posted by 2 years ago. The idea of the Intellectual Dark Web is based on the idea that you have been marginalised. You can scroll further below to watch the FULL interview. [Long pause.] First of all, what do you mean by alt-right exactly? So I would say that there’s a dangerous proclivity to abandon the concept of the presumption of innocence. It felt like, well, it felt like a safe space. Premium Member. It’s how much responsibility I take. If you’re very concerned about your carbon footprint, there’s a very fast solution. What’s your biggest regret? My parents are guilty about that, because they felt that it wasn’t good for me, but I’m not unhappy about it. I’m asking how much responsibility you have, particularly with regard to the alt-right, some of whom have enjoyed your work, to say, “I’m not one of you.”. Peterson begins the interview by explaining why he tells young men to grow up and take responsibility for getting their lives together and becoming good … We’ve concentrated on rights and privileges, freedom and impulsive pleasure, and those are all useful in their place, but they’re shallow and that’s not good. Well, I don’t think it did me any good. Jordan Peterson in GQ: “There was plenty of motivation to take me out. From November 2018 see a month's worth of content on what it means to be a man, on GQ.co.uk, written by a variety of columnists each day. And we’re wired for hierarchical perception in ways that you can hardly imagine. Since the publication of 2018’s 12 Rules For Life: An Antidote To Chaos, controversial Canadian psychology professor Dr Jordan Peterson has gone from outspoken academic to supposed saviour of the manosphere. The male gender still has one unapologetic champion – step forward Canadian psychology professor Dr Jordan Peterson – and, as part of this promotional push, GQ sent Helen Lewis to interview him. So maybe there are other biological urges, such as men’s propensity towards violence, that might also be overcome? Peterson stumped me a few times, and I did the same back to him. It’s like, where’s the dominance here, precisely? Like the fantastic Thomas Sowell, Jordan has much to offer a thinking America; and in the video below, his gives abundantly. Read the interview in our new issue, and watch the video here: Rarely has there been a more confusing time to be a man, Jordan Peterson: “There was plenty of motivation to take me out. To his followers, Jordan Peterson is a prophet of masculinity. You talk a lot about your diet. If you don’t you’re a fool, just like if you don’t see the allure in the radical leftist ideas’. I overestimated the degree to which that was a consequence of the sedentary lifestyle and the degree to which a lack of discipline was contributing to it. She’s completely symptom-free. It mixes homespun life advice with denunciations of Soviet communism. People who do worse in school are men. I think it’s because our primary social hierarchy structures are fundamentally masculine. I read that and thought it was moving. On a recent rainy night in Long Island, New York, I watched more than a thousand people – including plenty of couples – file into the Westbury Theatre to hear him speak. On the Me Too movement, tell me your reaction to what’s unfolded over the last year. It’s harder for young women, because the problem of integrating family with career is a more complex problem for women to solve. Right, but you cry in public. Stopped snoring. When did you last change your mind about something important? Did you encourage him in his desire to be a father? Maybe none. He dresses like a dandy, in elegant three-piece suits. This is part two of the interview; part one was published on December 6th. The book says no lying: do you still lie? If you’re not aware of Jordan, I’m overjoyed that I could introduce you. The pause was to allow two thoughts to percolate through my brain: first, will his supporters destroy my Twitter mentions and email inbox for days after the piece is published? ‘If you want to be a successful man, then you should be competent and that will move you up the hierarchy’, The first of Peterson’s 12 Rules Of Life is “Stand up straight, with your shoulders back.” He spends several pages describing how male lobsters fight for dominance, leaving the victorious ones with a more upright posture. Finally, how would you like to be remembered? I’m not exactly sure why that would be more necessary for men right now; it might be because our culture confuses men’s desire for achievement and competence with the patriarchal desire for tyrannical power and that’s a big mistake. If you don’t see the allure in it, you’re a fool, just like if you don’t see the allure in the radical leftist ideas. Then, in early 2018, he published a book of tough-love advice called 12 Rules For Life and his combative interview with Channel 4 News’ Cathy Newman on the gender pay gap went viral. Did you have different ambitions for your daughter [Mikhaila, who is named after Mikhail Gorbachev and runs Peterson’s private office] and your son? He eats an all-beef diet, which he says has alleviated his depression, among other things. Jordan Peterson Video. The only reason that I was ever associated in any sense whatsoever with anything to do with the alt-right was because it was extremely convenient for the radical leftists – who I fundamentally detest – to paint me as a representative of that viewpoint. I think that’s a very big mistake: the presumption of innocence is nothing short of a miracle and we abandon it at our extreme peril. It’s not a consequence of being dominated by anything that’s tyrannical. The book has definitely expanded my audience. Here Helen Lewis proves to be a much more capable interviewer than Cathy Newman, and manages to score some points against Jordan … Going into the interview, in a hotel suite in Baltimore, I resolved never to argue that his views were offensive. Close. I mean, we disagree on things. So I’m not happy with that. Here’s why I wanted to talk to him. People need a call to responsibility, because they need to mature; they need to want to be adults. The problem, as Peterson sees it, is Americans are no longer receiving these lessons. Or do you mean suicide? *[Smiles.] And I’m pretty damn careful about it. I never set out specifically to talk to men – my students for most years at university have been primarily female. After their clash, Newman got so much abuse that Peterson had to tell his fans to “back off”. I met her when I was eight, so we’ve known each other for 50 years. There was never going to be a moment when we settled our disagreements. I’m not a fan of the idea that the most fundamental orientation that a person is likely to have in their life is career. I think what people are arguing for is don’t instantly dismiss or disbelieve the victim. Not being stupid. All of the dietary knowledge we have is rubbish. They haven’t enjoyed my work. Jordan Peterson’s ideas are vital to understanding the online conversation about what it means to be a man today. How would your life have been different if you’d been born female? Most victims of violent crime are men. ‘I’m changing my mind about things all the time. You don’t go round impregnating every woman that you see. I don’t like their use of identity politics. Two years ago, Peterson was virtually unknown outside his native Canada, where he gave lectures at the University Of Toronto on subjects such as the Jungian symbolism of The Lion King. P.s. In a 2018 interview with British GQ, Peterson was asked why people were so “hungry” for his message. You write about Nietzsche, who became the Nazis’ favourite intellectual... Only through his sister’s mistranslations of his work. Dr. Peterson is a writer, professor, and clinical psychologist. Well, you brought up the whole Pepe thing! He is undoubtedly smart, eloquent and well-read in his favoured subjects. Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke. I think Peterson has chosen a hard road – his whole appeal is based on intellectual superiority and confrontation, and it doesn’t leave much space for humility and humour. Every time I do a lecture, I change my mind about something. Subscribe now to get six issues of GQ for only £15, including free access to the interactive iPad and iPhone editions. Once the camera was on, we spent 90 minutes in what felt like hand-to-hand combat, pausing only to allow the photographer to change the memory card in his video camera. He might seem angry, but he’s disciplined. People take away from this chapter that male lobsters compete for female lobsters and that says something about society now, that men need to be dominant.
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